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Post by Lady Elwen on Feb 21, 2005 0:27:58 GMT -5
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Elbereth
Ranger
~The light of Il?vatar lives still in her face.~
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Post by Elbereth on Mar 24, 2005 1:03:28 GMT -5
Wow, Ana.... Nice work! You've really brought the points that people criticize on Arwen to the light and explained them in ways that make sense. Granted, being an Arwen fan, perhaps I am simply biased in opinion, but I did think that this really addressed the key points of the Arwen debate. The note about scorning the people - I am so glad you addressed, that, since that is one of the most picked-on points I have heard yet. Nice writing style; a couple mistakes, but nothing serious. What format are you using, out of curiosity? But again, nice work proving your side.  ~ Elbereth |
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Post by Mithwen Delbaeth on Apr 27, 2005 9:28:40 GMT -5
What about Eowyn? The essay said that she had no moral strength of mind. It is true that at first she wanted to die, that is because she had nothing, Aragorn did not love her and Eomer and Theoden were likely to die as well for there was little hope of victory. But in the end Eowyn did not just give up, she fought and killed the Witchking, the Witchking is powerful and brings fear. She would have to have great bravery to stand up to him.
On Arwen's part, even if her children were already adults didn't she still love them? Why didn't she stay at least a little while so that she could make sure that everything was alright. Imagine how hard it must have been for them to lose their father and then right after that lose their mother? What help did the banner do? The Grey Company raised it up when they arrived in the Corsair ships but big deal? What does that matter? They could have just gotten off the boats and shown themselves as friends to Gondor.
I guess what I'm saying is that I still don't like Arwen.
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Post by Anaroriel on May 7, 2005 23:07:58 GMT -5
*Beats head against wall* Will this debate never end??!! *twitch twitch* Sorry... I'm good. Good now. Very good. Ok, first, read the compliments, then deal with the criticism... hi Elbereth! Thank you very much for reading my essay. I appreciate it very much. I also apologize for the huge delay, but these things do happen. I have no format... I choose to write freely when I can. I don't like structure too much, and I feel that if I can have a balance of facts and commentary and come out with a pretty good product, I think it is worth it. :- And I do make mistakes, but thanks for not scrutinizing them too much and telling me in a mean manner. It does much for my self-esteem. Hi Eldariel. Forgive my writing outburst at the beginning of the post, but it's been a *long* day, so long it feels like two. But, in answer to your questions and accusations: First of all, yes. Eowyn is one of my favorite characters and I love her to death. I think she is a strong woman... at the end of her story. No, she is strong throughout, but her form of strength changes and progresses. But... Eowyn wanted to die. That's why she went to war, to die in battle and free herself of her cage and heartache. She was strong... in physicality, and strong in will. Strong in will to kill the WitchKing, but I also felt she wanted to die and knew she was going to die when she faced him. Determination is a strength, but it sort of cancels out (in my mind) when it is used for the wrong purposes. And the Arwen's children part... again. I don't mind, and I don't mean to offend you, I've just heard it a million times. Yes, perhaps she shouldn't have left her children. Perhaps it was wrong. But you got to let your children go. You've got to move on, and your children have got to move on. What use was she to her children, if she was barely able to function because of her grief? And we don't know how soon she left either. What is soon? The Bible said Jesus is coming back soon, but it's been two thousand years and we still haven't seen him. What is the definition of soon? Furthermore, her children must have been old. Like, 60 + old. Yes, it's hard, but they can live and survive without their mother. She wasn't needed, she had no purpose, so she left and accepted her fate. What good was the banner? *shock* It gave hope to Aragorn, and the men when they saw that all was not lost. To see the ships coming and then the flag to unfurl... "Hope! We can fight a bit longer! Behold, help is on the way and all is not lost. Our king has sailed to our need, bearing the banner covered in the star of the Elves and Tree of Men. If that isn't a sign of Divine Intervention, I don't know what is." Hope to Aragorn: "My love is thinking of me. She cannot do much, only make me this banner, but look, she loves me enough to make it and send it to me and do this. She understands my destiny and I will fulfill it for her. I can do this. I have the banner my Tinuviel made." You don't have to like Arwen, Eldariel. That is perfectly fine and acceptable. But... I don't know. Hating a character for misunderstanding - hating anyone because of a misunderstanding - just gets me a little upset. It's like judging someone because they are a certain religion without even trying to get to know them: so you judge her by her becoming the Elven Queen without any large amounts of information about her to get to know her. *shrug* |
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